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	This article is within the scope of Computing WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to computers and computing. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
NA	This article has been rated as NA-Class on the quality scale
NA	This article has been rated as NA-importance on the importance scale
	Computer networking portal This non-article page is supported by the WikiProject Computer networking, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Computer networking on Wikipedia.

· history · watch · refresh To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer networking:
Tagging articles for the project in relavent categories. WP 1.0 Assessment of both quality and importance. Improving quality and getting a few articles to FA and GA articles. Outreach : Attract new members who might be interested and possibly start a bi-monthly newsletter.

Cleanup

I initiated a cleanup, most of the original content remains however many template elements have been removed. --Bruce 10:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

This section is reserved for collaborative editing of computer networking related infoboxes. Eventually the individual infoboxes on this page would be converted into templates, contributions would be appreciated. --Bruce 12:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hardware specific	Protocol specific
Network Interface Card (NIC) OSI Layer(s) 2. Data link layer

Discussion

Add any additional comments

i propose we create a Networking_Protocol infobox based on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Country_or_territory but clearly less big , fileds to be included should contain : layer , transport , ecapsulation , etc--Mancini 18:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Finding a parent

I just posted a message concerning this subject to the WikiProject Computing talk page, you can find it here. --Bruce 10:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys. What are we waiting for? The WikiProject Computing is the obvious parent, allthough Wikipedia:WikiProject_Telecommunications also is related. The computing project seems to be much more active. What's the procedure for moving the computer network stuff from that project to this? Mange01 13:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I have now assigned it WikiProject Computing as parent. Hope you did not mind. And that I have not missed updating some instance with this information. Mange01 00:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Just want to point out that there are quite some pages under Telecommunications that actually fit under Networking , and ther are articles in both categories , i guess that is the way to go nowdays that telecom and networking entwine !? --Mancini 16:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

One of my students approached me a couple of weeks ago with the (false) view that ARPANET was introduced in the 1970s. Source was Wikipedia. Quote: "Today's IP networking represents a synthesis of two developments that began in the 1970s, namely LANs (Local Area Networks) and the Internet, both of which have revolutionized computing." I have inserted "1960s and 1970s" - this is far more accurate as regards the Internet. Anything else is highly misleading.

(Dorgan65 (talk) 03:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC))

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 00:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Template

I just made this template:

	This article is part of WikiProject Computer networking, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Computer networking on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.	Computer networking portal
Computer networking To-do:   Computer networking Collaboration of the week: Wikipedia:Computer networking Collaboration of the week/current Template:Cnbox contents

--Prittglue 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Use the following code: {{cnproj|class=B|importance=mid}}

Great.

All articles have class B and importance mid. What other categories can we use?

Why is this still not mentioned on the project page?

I'm novice. why does the template refer to the protal and not the project page? Whats the difference between a portal and a project, and what should be on the discussion page and on the main page of a portal and a project respectively? Mange01 13:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Edited Bus.png to add transparency , too bad it will not show in IE , make a note to use gif format in the future--Mancini 18:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes

This user is a member of the Computer Networking Project.

I created this user box that may be used on member pages. I thought it would be a nice touch to add and have. Listed this on the poject page as well.

You can add it to your user page with the following code: {{User WikiProject computer networking}}

--akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 22:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Up0-interface

I am currently working on de-orphaning articles and I ran across the article on Up0-interface. Although the article is not tagged as part of your project, it appears as though it could belong to this project. If I am wrong, please let me know and I willt ry to find where this project belongs. Should this article belong to your project, assistance would be greatly appreciated in de-orphaning this article (introducing at least 1 link to this article in another wikipedia article). -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed the tagging to the WP:TEL project, and de-orphaned it. I am not clear on why it needs an expert - I see no controversy in it. Mange01 23:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

That was my bad. I was a little confused on how to get another project to look at it. I am working on a project to de-orphan thousands and thousands of orphaned articles and did not have enough knowldge of the subject matter to find appropriate articles to link to it from. Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Addition?

• Should Search Appliance be added to this WikiProject? →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 00:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Modem

I've just been over at modem. It's part of WikiProject Computer networking. So it "should explain ... (what an IP address is) "? And the same would be true about an article on Netbios? I don't think that's a very good suggestion. If you want to have a project on IP networking, you should change the name. If you want to have a project on general networking, you should pull the IP stack and OSI layer out of the template. 218.214.148.10 05:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)(david)

Perhaps that is only an example in what a specific article might include, i.e. one dealing with routing, etc. I see on the project page it says:

"Networks rely heavily on protocols and that is the primary focus, but may also include models (e.g., OSI model), hardware and applications..."

So I assume it would depend on the article. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 05:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Misleading name for article: Segmentation and Reassembly

Segmentation and reassembly is a general concept, which in the article is instead linked to a particular instance of the problem, namely ATM. This is at least misleading if not plain wrong.

The information should be probably integrated into the Asynchronous Transfer Mode article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.75.157.145 (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Infobox oа Russian Wikipedia

I read, that you have problem with protocol infobox. I created in RuWP an protocol infobox (example) with following fields:

• Abbreviation (as a caption of infobox)
• Full name
• Image (if exists)
• OSI Level
• Protocol suite
• When was started
• Port / ID
• Purpose
• RFC and/or STD
• Main implementations (clients and servers)
• Extensibility
• Main extensions

Sorry for my not very good english and thanks for cooperation. - Member of RuWP WikiProject Computer networking VasilievVV 17:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

source for animations

I just found this site at a .edu - though old, they are still relevant for the topics they cover - animations of various networking concepts see http://www.netbook.cs.purdue.edu/anmtions/anim20_3.htm - great visual of tcp sliding windows. animation is worth 1000 words.--Boscobiscotti 07:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Joining The Project

How do you join the project?

A: To join the project add your user id to the project page and place the pages you shall be working on.

Talk Page Guidelines

After working on the articles, editors came and began to insert data into the wrong articles. I think this will always be problematic since people dont seem to get the concept of the wiki links as supporting articles. I would therefore suggest doing something like this on the article you cleanup so they dont get destroyed again. You can do this (if you would like) with a simple notice box:

Before making edits on this page, please understand that there is a cleanup going on concering Router, Routing and Routing protocol

Update the article Router if you are updating infomation about Routers, NOT routing protocols.
Update the article, Routing protocol if you want to update information on the protocols routers use.

Finally update the article, Routing, if you want to update this topic without discussing the protocols behind routing.

--- End of Talk Page Guideline example --- --akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 23:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Invitations Sent

Invited two additional editors to join project. --akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 17:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Internet routing

It appears that there is no Internet routing article, which seems like a major deficiency. We have many of the pieces covered like BGP, OSPF, CIDR etc. but I don't see one which ties it all together into one big picture. Anyone want to tackle that? --Nethgirb 08:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Interview with Robert Cailliau

Hi everyone,

we are preparing an interview at Wikinews with Robert Cailliau, all insightful questions are most welcome here: Wikinews:Story preparation/Interview with Robert Cailliau.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Lynx (protocol)

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Lynx (protocol) is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 19:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: GroundWork Monitor Open Source

GroundWork Monitor Open Source (via WP:PROD on 2007-10-2) Deleted

updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Number of Hosts...

The article here is very accurate except for the number of hosts. As you create more networks, both the broadcast and the network IP cannot be used.

For Ex:

If you have 4 networks (2²), you lose the first two, (.0 and .255) and the broadcasts, (..63, .127, .191) and the network domains (.64, .128, .192) making a total of 8 lost IP's. The more you split the network, the more valid IP's you cannot use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JLanius (talk • contribs)

Which article are you referring to? Cburnett 00:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

AFD: BT Home Hub

• 16 October 2007 -- expires 21 October

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BT Home Hub —Preceding unsigned comment added by KelleyCook (talk • contribs) 18:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

BT Home Hub at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BT Home Hub (2007-10-16 – 2007-10-21) Keep

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Basenet

Basenet (via WP:PROD on 2007-10-21) Deleted

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A merge...or something.

I came across these two in looking over Category:Wireless networking

*Fixed Wireless Data - This one bothers me - rubbish... *Fixed wireless

Comments welcome! E_dog95 ^Hi 06:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Tonight I merged these articles... E_dog95 ^Hi 02:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

PROD and AFD: BixData

BixData (via WP:PROD on 2007-10-29) Kept BixData at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BixData (2007-10-29 – 2007-11-04) Deleted

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

updated' --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The Gateway merge

This one's been untouched for some time. These articles both attempt to cover the same topic. Fourohfour was kind enough to make the merge proposal. I could attempt the job, but I may not be the right editor for the job. E_dog95 ^Hi 05:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Gateway (computer networking)
• Gateway (telecommunications)

Notice of List articles

Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).

• List of basic Internet topics
• List of basic telecommunication topics
• List of basic computer science topics
• List of basic information technology topics

This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 20:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

DHCP option 60

I'm not up on the subject here, but is there anything we can add to this article? Regards, Mercury 23:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Computer networking

Hi. There is currently a discussion in progress over the portal's future. I figured this WikiProject would be a logical maintainer of it? Or perhaps there ain't enough material to sustain one? (I would be surprised as it is a very vast topic.) One way or the other, the discussion could use more input. Thanks, Миша13 19:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

PROD: Codec Engine (TI)

Codec Engine (TI) (via WP:PROD on 207-12-01) Deleted

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

updated --14:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Spam problems

Please could someone take a look at UPnP AV MediaServers ? I came across it while adding categories and it seems to be drowning in spam. Needs an expert to decide what to keep ! thisisace (talk) 18:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:AFD on Error-correcting codes with feedback

Error-correcting codes with feedback has been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Error-correcting codes with feedback 132.205.99.122 (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Error-correcting codes with feedback at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Error-correcting codes with feedback (2007-11-28 – 2007-12-06) Kept

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Loop Management System

Loop Management System (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-14) Kept

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

update --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Article for deletion: iVisit

IVisit at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IVisit (2008-02-04 –)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

PROD iPBX

Via WP:PROD from 2nd Jan - IPBX

I have no idea if its worth keeping, but you might. Mostlyharmless (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

At least a break, if not a farewell.

Perhaps there is no one interested in philosophical observations from a lot of experience in networking, including ISO and IETF standards development as well as router implementation, but maybe someone will find value.

I give up. I am tired of explaining that IETF protocols explicitly are not designed in conformance with the OSI reference model, perhaps because a textbook or two contradicts the relevant RFCs.

I give up. I am tired of explaining that routing protocols are network layer management functions and do not belong in the layer above the one that encapsulates them, even if they are IP-only or run over data link alone.

I give up. I am tired of explaining that "switch", as opposed to "bridge" or "router" at the lower layers, has no accepted technical meaning.

Let Wikipedia create its own literature on routing, which can take advantage of all of these misconceptions.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Instead of explaining, it may be more successful to give references. However, the problem is not only Wikipedia, but also that different textbooks gives different definitions, for example of switching, depending on context. Mange01 (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Number of addresses in private networks in IPv4

Please comment my discussion with Wrs1864 User_talk:Wrs1864#Private_network. This talk is about this edit --Wyksztalcioch (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
• The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
• A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 22:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - , member of WikiProject Council. 14:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Vote: Four and/or five layers in the TCP/IP model template and wiki articles?

Give your vote here. Should the TCP/IP model template have four or five layers? And what is the name of the bottom layer in case of four layers? And is it okay to mention both the four and five layer models in wikipedia articles? Mange01 (talk) 13:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Intergrated banner with {{WikiProject Computing}}

This project is a subset of the parent project WP:COMPUTING.This project articles contains both {{Cnproj}} and {{WikiProject Computing}} and possibly other descendant wikiproject banners also.

I am proposing the use of the integrated banner of {{WikiProject Computing}} , if there is a consensus among our project members...

Example :

{{WikiProject Computing|class=start|importance=Mid|network=yes|network-importance=low}}

will produce...

	This article is within the scope of Computing WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to computers and computing. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale
	Computer networking portal This article is supported by the WikiProject Computer networking, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Computer networking on Wikipedia.
Low	This article has been rated as low-importance for the WikiProject Computer networking.

• This project and its autonomy will remain the same...
• No pages have to be moved as a task force.

The advantages of this are :-

• Intergated banner which takes up less space and avoid clutter of different Computer related WikiProjects.
• Greater co-operation and co-ordination among computer related wikiProjects.
• Each WikiProject doesnt have to maintain an assessment department...Since the standards for WP 1.0 Assessment is same for all WikiProjects, single assessment is only required for all the computer related WikiProjects. This means more time for individual computer wikiprojects to help and improve the articles in their scope..
• Seperate stats for quality and importance for both parent and descendant projects ( as before)
• Catergory intersection of quality and importance available like Category:Amiga articles by quality and importance for WP:Amiga

Possible Actions:

• Replace {{Cnproj}} with {{WikiProject Computing}} and our project parameters in the article talk pages .
• Copy the importance in existing {{Cnproj}} to |network-importance= in {{WikiProject Computing}} banner.

Thoughts ?? -- Tinu Cherian - 10:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. It will cut down on spaces used up by templates, and kinda have one general template, more uniform for all the pages under the project. tabor-^{drop me a line} 20:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I had left a note on the talk pages of all members and hope to hear from them also -- Tinu Cherian - 10:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not generally keen unless each related project group freely chooses to do this. Decentralisation is generally more productive than centralisation IMO. Unless the bits being centralised decide of their own accord that there's an overhead reduction available. Jamesday (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Please note that this initative is extended and in discussion with all the computer related Wikiprojects and there is more or less unanimous support now.

You may need not consider this banner integration as an overhead as I will make sure the present importance rating for this project is properly carried over to the new banner parameters during the banner intergation . I will make sure there is no or minimal overhead to the descendant project members for this banner intergation ( TinucherianBot is a hardworking Bot :) ).

The seperate importance ratings are also important and has the following advantages :

• More flexibility for both parent and descendant projects. ( greater independance and autonomy , I would say)
• An article might be of say Mid importance for Computing Project, Top Importance for WP:Comp Sc and even may be Low importance for WP:Databases. This helps such situations.

This initiative is to reduce the Bureaucracy and administrative overhead on computer related WikiProjects and enhance greater collabration and cooperation.The result : you have more time to work on the articles of your interest. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Closing comments :Based on the discussion and with support and no opposes above, I believe there is a consensus to use the new intergated banner. I will complete the banner replacement and intergation of the existing article soon -- Tinu Cherian - 06:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Banner replacement and intergation of the existing articles is complete -- Tinu Cherian - 10:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 234 articles are assigned to this project, of which 86, or 36.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place the following template on your project page:

{{User:WolterBot/Cleanup listing subscription|banner=Cnproj}}

If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page; I'm not watching this page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Y Done : Added {{User:WolterBot/Cleanup listing subscription|wgcat=Computer networking articles}} to the main page. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Computer networking

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)